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	<title>Comments on: Whose need comes first?</title>
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	<description>Blog of P. Clint Rogers, PhD: Culture, Training, and Technology Specialist</description>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.clintrogersonline.com/blog/2009/08/15/whose-need-comes-first/#comment-3759</link>
		<author>Paul</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 22:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I agree that something has change as far as the business world is concerned, but that is only a reflection of a change in our society.  I am a true believer in capitalism.  I believe that it was what our country was founded on.  It is that the individual looks out for themselves and as such will make good decisions for society, as long as they are free.  I also believe that our constitution and this American Experiment was only to be done with a Christian society.  I think as our morals founded in Christian values decline so has our business sense of truly taking care or our employees and they will be loyal to their employers.  To reiterate, I think what you, Clint, are talking about is a sign of a much bigger problem in our society in Utah, in America, and the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that something has change as far as the business world is concerned, but that is only a reflection of a change in our society.  I am a true believer in capitalism.  I believe that it was what our country was founded on.  It is that the individual looks out for themselves and as such will make good decisions for society, as long as they are free.  I also believe that our constitution and this American Experiment was only to be done with a Christian society.  I think as our morals founded in Christian values decline so has our business sense of truly taking care or our employees and they will be loyal to their employers.  To reiterate, I think what you, Clint, are talking about is a sign of a much bigger problem in our society in Utah, in America, and the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Colorado</title>
		<link>http://www.clintrogersonline.com/blog/2009/08/15/whose-need-comes-first/#comment-3761</link>
		<author>Colorado</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 04:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Businesses shouldn't treat you badly on the way out the door if you choose to leave; respect and kindness is a two-way street.  I think it would be very unfortunate if I worked at a company and decided to leave and they said some of those things.  I'd probably feel even more frustrated and grateful I was leaving.

I remember when I left my first job after a few years for a better opportunity and everyone was gracious and respectful.  We'd talked about all the fun we'd had and everyone wished me luck.  It was a real positive experience and it makes it easier to say positive things about the people of that organization.

In fact, the CIO said in some internal meetings that if anyone's current position wasn't the right spot for the employee and the employee wanted to do something different, he'd help them find something that would work.  If it turned out that there wasn't an opportunity within the organization and the person wanted to leave, he'd help them find something where the employee could be happy and successful.

I know a few people did leave (I ended up leaving a year later), but most everyone stayed and felt that the CIO cared about them and their career paths.  I think the CIO's kindness helped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Businesses shouldn&#8217;t treat you badly on the way out the door if you choose to leave; respect and kindness is a two-way street.  I think it would be very unfortunate if I worked at a company and decided to leave and they said some of those things.  I&#8217;d probably feel even more frustrated and grateful I was leaving.</p>
<p>I remember when I left my first job after a few years for a better opportunity and everyone was gracious and respectful.  We&#8217;d talked about all the fun we&#8217;d had and everyone wished me luck.  It was a real positive experience and it makes it easier to say positive things about the people of that organization.</p>
<p>In fact, the CIO said in some internal meetings that if anyone&#8217;s current position wasn&#8217;t the right spot for the employee and the employee wanted to do something different, he&#8217;d help them find something that would work.  If it turned out that there wasn&#8217;t an opportunity within the organization and the person wanted to leave, he&#8217;d help them find something where the employee could be happy and successful.</p>
<p>I know a few people did leave (I ended up leaving a year later), but most everyone stayed and felt that the CIO cared about them and their career paths.  I think the CIO&#8217;s kindness helped.</p>
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		<title>By: Clint</title>
		<link>http://www.clintrogersonline.com/blog/2009/08/15/whose-need-comes-first/#comment-3762</link>
		<author>Clint</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 04:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Great comments and ideas Jason. I just realized that there is no indication on the blog that shows how you are the author of this entry, so that is something that I will need to fix. 
So, actually Paul, you are trying to reiterate what Jason is saying -- my new co-blogger. :)
Only, there is no way you would have known that because I need to somehow activate the setting that tells who the author is. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great comments and ideas Jason. I just realized that there is no indication on the blog that shows how you are the author of this entry, so that is something that I will need to fix.<br />
So, actually Paul, you are trying to reiterate what Jason is saying &#8212; my new co-blogger. <img src='http://www.clintrogersonline.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Only, there is no way you would have known that because I need to somehow activate the setting that tells who the author is. <img src='http://www.clintrogersonline.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.clintrogersonline.com/blog/2009/08/15/whose-need-comes-first/#comment-3764</link>
		<author>Jason</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.clintrogersonline.com/blog/2009/08/15/whose-need-comes-first/#comment-3764</guid>
					<description>Good insights, all. Thanks for your contribution.

So what can we do? If these trends do exist, is there anything four individuals can do to reverse course in any meaningful way?

(P.S. I believe there is, so no fair answering "no"! But I am very interested in what ideas people can generate.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good insights, all. Thanks for your contribution.</p>
<p>So what can we do? If these trends do exist, is there anything four individuals can do to reverse course in any meaningful way?</p>
<p>(P.S. I believe there is, so no fair answering &#8220;no&#8221;! But I am very interested in what ideas people can generate.)</p>
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		<title>By: Yevgeni</title>
		<link>http://www.clintrogersonline.com/blog/2009/08/15/whose-need-comes-first/#comment-5489</link>
		<author>Yevgeni</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Feb 2011 21:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.clintrogersonline.com/blog/2009/08/15/whose-need-comes-first/#comment-5489</guid>
					<description>You should read "Atlas Shrugged."

Companies MUST act for their own benefit and should never complain when an individual does so as well.  To say "the human need that should be given priority" is to mirror the concept of "need comes first."

No, that will not work.  Companies cannot look at the "human element" because to do so they would become unproductive and when they become unproductive, they fail.

One of the many problems people have with the capitalist system is they do not realize there is an inherent failure in any other methodology than the market value of goods and services.

You cannot arbitrarily set prices.  If you want to set the price of say, bread, you would have to look at the costs involved.  One cost would be the grain, which has as a component the labor of a farmer, which has as a component cost his food, including bread.

So any such attempt is circular.

If the market says a company must downsize or die, it must do so.  It sounds cruel, but it is the only way the system can actually function.  

When the cost of a good or service is arbitrarily set too low or too high, you have a problem.  In fact, the fact that the government pushed for "more affordable home loans" is why we had the "real estate bubble."

Yes, our current economic crisis was caused by someone trying to be too nice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should read &#8220;Atlas Shrugged.&#8221;</p>
<p>Companies MUST act for their own benefit and should never complain when an individual does so as well.  To say &#8220;the human need that should be given priority&#8221; is to mirror the concept of &#8220;need comes first.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, that will not work.  Companies cannot look at the &#8220;human element&#8221; because to do so they would become unproductive and when they become unproductive, they fail.</p>
<p>One of the many problems people have with the capitalist system is they do not realize there is an inherent failure in any other methodology than the market value of goods and services.</p>
<p>You cannot arbitrarily set prices.  If you want to set the price of say, bread, you would have to look at the costs involved.  One cost would be the grain, which has as a component the labor of a farmer, which has as a component cost his food, including bread.</p>
<p>So any such attempt is circular.</p>
<p>If the market says a company must downsize or die, it must do so.  It sounds cruel, but it is the only way the system can actually function.  </p>
<p>When the cost of a good or service is arbitrarily set too low or too high, you have a problem.  In fact, the fact that the government pushed for &#8220;more affordable home loans&#8221; is why we had the &#8220;real estate bubble.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, our current economic crisis was caused by someone trying to be too nice.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.clintrogersonline.com/blog/2009/08/15/whose-need-comes-first/#comment-5491</link>
		<author>Jason</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Feb 2011 01:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thanks for the comment, Yevgeni.

Why, exactly, would a company become unproductive if they consider the human element? There seem to be plenty of companies that do exactly that, and are very successful.

How is anything I wrote an argument for setting prices arbitrarily?

Why are the only two choices for a company in trouble to downside or die? Accepting only those two choices seems like a significant failure of imagination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment, Yevgeni.</p>
<p>Why, exactly, would a company become unproductive if they consider the human element? There seem to be plenty of companies that do exactly that, and are very successful.</p>
<p>How is anything I wrote an argument for setting prices arbitrarily?</p>
<p>Why are the only two choices for a company in trouble to downside or die? Accepting only those two choices seems like a significant failure of imagination.</p>
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