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		<title>By: MT</title>
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		<author>MT</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 07:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Interestingly, though, I haven't testified a single thing that would indicate that Tanzanian economy would've yet been hit by the global economic crisis. There are even some who say that the crisis could be an opportunity for Africa: 

http://www.globalenvision.org/2009/02/05/can-economic-crisis-be-good-africa</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interestingly, though, I haven&#8217;t testified a single thing that would indicate that Tanzanian economy would&#8217;ve yet been hit by the global economic crisis. There are even some who say that the crisis could be an opportunity for Africa: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.globalenvision.org/2009/02/05/can-economic-crisis-be-good-africa" rel="nofollow">http://www.globalenvision.org/2009/02/05/can-economic-crisis-be-good-africa</a></p>
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		<title>By: Clint</title>
		<link>http://www.clintrogersonline.com/blog/2009/03/14/worried-about-the-economy-some-thoughts-that-might-help/#comment-3163</link>
		<author>Clint</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 10:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hmmm...I like that article. Goes along well with some of William Easterly's claims. And I truly hope that Tanzania and other African countries will take advantage of the opportunities presented (as stated in that article) more than ever.

It has been interesting to see that there has been some insulation or lag time in the global economic crises influencing Africa - telling me that (as a factor of relative smallness of the African economies compared with others) these countries are not as tightly woven in to the international business system. 

Perhaps this is because the primary economic relationship of most African countries with the West is not based on real-time trade (instead a lot comes from Foreign Aid that is given in increments of 6 to 12 month periods, or tourism which is seasonal), and most people in African themselves are not immediately impacted by sharp turns in stock markets (they are not going to lose much sleep - not having to worry about things like retirement savings depletion, bank and mortgage crises, not borrowing money in huge tranches for everyday business needs from the West, and not selling as much on a day-to-day routine basis, etc). 

I would be very hesitant, however, to say that it will not hit Africa harder in future months, even though I hope I am wrong.

Some examples:
- &lt;strong&gt;Tourism&lt;/strong&gt; (and all the industries that live off tourism - e.g. transport, food, fast moving consumer goods like detergents, electricity, water, municipal councils, aviation) - the seasonal in-flow of capital from tourism will surely be hit.
- &lt;strong&gt;Remittances&lt;/strong&gt; - Money being sent from Kenyans abroad reached 4% or 5% of our GDP (in Guyana it is much higher). Many export industries do not earn that much. As they get paid less abroad, they will have less to send back.
- &lt;strong&gt;Agriculture&lt;/strong&gt;, which provides a lot of income, is becoming more interlaced with global markets and thus vulnerable to fluctuations in other parts of the world. And as commodity prices plummet, agricultural commodities such as tea, coffee, wheat, corn, sugar, livestock etc. are selling at discount prices.
- &lt;strong&gt;Taxes&lt;/strong&gt; - Although a lot of the "aid" goes to people on top, as it dries up in future months (along with taxes from things like hotels, etc), I wouldn't put it past officials to find additional reasons for taxes (either raising taxes and/or creating new ones).

I wonder if the article you posted is more an example of someone (World Bank economist Dambisa Moyo) looking for the silver lining around the cloud? - Trying to find what could be good about the whole situation and how African's could end up better than before?

If that is the case, then I still think it is a good article - and exactly what should happen. 
See things as they are, but not worse than they are. 
And then try and figure out how we can make them even better than they are. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230;I like that article. Goes along well with some of William Easterly&#8217;s claims. And I truly hope that Tanzania and other African countries will take advantage of the opportunities presented (as stated in that article) more than ever.</p>
<p>It has been interesting to see that there has been some insulation or lag time in the global economic crises influencing Africa - telling me that (as a factor of relative smallness of the African economies compared with others) these countries are not as tightly woven in to the international business system. </p>
<p>Perhaps this is because the primary economic relationship of most African countries with the West is not based on real-time trade (instead a lot comes from Foreign Aid that is given in increments of 6 to 12 month periods, or tourism which is seasonal), and most people in African themselves are not immediately impacted by sharp turns in stock markets (they are not going to lose much sleep - not having to worry about things like retirement savings depletion, bank and mortgage crises, not borrowing money in huge tranches for everyday business needs from the West, and not selling as much on a day-to-day routine basis, etc). </p>
<p>I would be very hesitant, however, to say that it will not hit Africa harder in future months, even though I hope I am wrong.</p>
<p>Some examples:<br />
- <strong>Tourism</strong> (and all the industries that live off tourism - e.g. transport, food, fast moving consumer goods like detergents, electricity, water, municipal councils, aviation) - the seasonal in-flow of capital from tourism will surely be hit.<br />
- <strong>Remittances</strong> - Money being sent from Kenyans abroad reached 4% or 5% of our GDP (in Guyana it is much higher). Many export industries do not earn that much. As they get paid less abroad, they will have less to send back.<br />
- <strong>Agriculture</strong>, which provides a lot of income, is becoming more interlaced with global markets and thus vulnerable to fluctuations in other parts of the world. And as commodity prices plummet, agricultural commodities such as tea, coffee, wheat, corn, sugar, livestock etc. are selling at discount prices.<br />
- <strong>Taxes</strong> - Although a lot of the &#8220;aid&#8221; goes to people on top, as it dries up in future months (along with taxes from things like hotels, etc), I wouldn&#8217;t put it past officials to find additional reasons for taxes (either raising taxes and/or creating new ones).</p>
<p>I wonder if the article you posted is more an example of someone (World Bank economist Dambisa Moyo) looking for the silver lining around the cloud? - Trying to find what could be good about the whole situation and how African&#8217;s could end up better than before?</p>
<p>If that is the case, then I still think it is a good article - and exactly what should happen.<br />
See things as they are, but not worse than they are.<br />
And then try and figure out how we can make them even better than they are.</p>
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		<title>By: Clint</title>
		<link>http://www.clintrogersonline.com/blog/2009/03/14/worried-about-the-economy-some-thoughts-that-might-help/#comment-3164</link>
		<author>Clint</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 11:20:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>In addition to the benefit pointed out in the link you posted (i.e. that less "aid" could end up being a blessing), maybe some other potential benefits for African countries could include: 

(1) the playing field could be leveled a bit if foreign powers are able to give less subsidies to their own farmers which puts? 
e.g. farm subsidies at 34% are the biggest single budgetary item in the EU Budget; 

(2) perhaps people will question more assumptions behind the "ideal" neoclassical economic ideology which hasn't yet worked when imposed in developing countries, and look for more home-grown models and solutions?; 

(3) real estate prices will likely decrease even in African countries and housing will become more affordable for some.

Any other ideas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In addition to the benefit pointed out in the link you posted (i.e. that less &#8220;aid&#8221; could end up being a blessing), maybe some other potential benefits for African countries could include: </p>
<p>(1) the playing field could be leveled a bit if foreign powers are able to give less subsidies to their own farmers which puts?<br />
e.g. farm subsidies at 34% are the biggest single budgetary item in the EU Budget; </p>
<p>(2) perhaps people will question more assumptions behind the &#8220;ideal&#8221; neoclassical economic ideology which hasn&#8217;t yet worked when imposed in developing countries, and look for more home-grown models and solutions?; </p>
<p>(3) real estate prices will likely decrease even in African countries and housing will become more affordable for some.</p>
<p>Any other ideas?</p>
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		<title>By: carolina</title>
		<link>http://www.clintrogersonline.com/blog/2009/03/14/worried-about-the-economy-some-thoughts-that-might-help/#comment-3165</link>
		<author>carolina</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 14:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>What Tony Robbins says I think is a general "self-help" guide for any moment in your life. Of course, now that it is an "economical turmoil" can turn even "fashionable" his comments, which would not harm :) 

In my humble opinion, we are in a great moment to assess our value system, and acting locally. Global is good for some things, but local is also relevant. 

I agree that it is an opportunity for people in development, because one can realized today that the "money" it is not all.  Let me explain: I do not see any difference of homeless living in shack in SouthAfrica (SA) for example, to homeless living in "Tent - city" in California. What I see, at least from the distance, is that the kids who born in those circumstances in SA, might be have more hopes, are  willing to fight for a better tomorrow and smile the today. While the kids that used to have a house with a garage full of stuff and now they have nothing, without a doubt are in worse situation, as most of them are in severe depressions, surround of depress and frustrated adults. 

You can't take away anything from someone that has nothing. :) Then it is a perfect time to think and focus on our set of values. What does each individual wants  to "give", or "offer" or to have? . Do we need a garage full of "products" that we do not actually need, however pushes us to be in eternal debt to be happy, OR we understand that our happiness starts in ourselves, and by harmonizing with our environment we can rise self-respect for ourselves and our surroundings while promoting education.

What will happen?  I think no-one really knows, but I am sure than more than one is thinking or evaluating his/her own set of values. And THAT is a good beginning already, even if it is painful process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Tony Robbins says I think is a general &#8220;self-help&#8221; guide for any moment in your life. Of course, now that it is an &#8220;economical turmoil&#8221; can turn even &#8220;fashionable&#8221; his comments, which would not harm <img src='http://www.clintrogersonline.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>In my humble opinion, we are in a great moment to assess our value system, and acting locally. Global is good for some things, but local is also relevant. </p>
<p>I agree that it is an opportunity for people in development, because one can realized today that the &#8220;money&#8221; it is not all.  Let me explain: I do not see any difference of homeless living in shack in SouthAfrica (SA) for example, to homeless living in &#8220;Tent - city&#8221; in California. What I see, at least from the distance, is that the kids who born in those circumstances in SA, might be have more hopes, are  willing to fight for a better tomorrow and smile the today. While the kids that used to have a house with a garage full of stuff and now they have nothing, without a doubt are in worse situation, as most of them are in severe depressions, surround of depress and frustrated adults. </p>
<p>You can&#8217;t take away anything from someone that has nothing. <img src='http://www.clintrogersonline.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> Then it is a perfect time to think and focus on our set of values. What does each individual wants  to &#8220;give&#8221;, or &#8220;offer&#8221; or to have? . Do we need a garage full of &#8220;products&#8221; that we do not actually need, however pushes us to be in eternal debt to be happy, OR we understand that our happiness starts in ourselves, and by harmonizing with our environment we can rise self-respect for ourselves and our surroundings while promoting education.</p>
<p>What will happen?  I think no-one really knows, but I am sure than more than one is thinking or evaluating his/her own set of values. And THAT is a good beginning already, even if it is painful process.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://www.clintrogersonline.com/blog/2009/03/14/worried-about-the-economy-some-thoughts-that-might-help/#comment-3240</link>
		<author>Frank</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 21:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Interesting thoughts, Clint, on an interesting subject. I would like to add that it will be interesting to follow the case of Rwanda, where a policy has been declared to make the country a "knowledge based economy" and another of providing infrastructure as an incentive for getting a diverse private business to evolve. Supporting current primary production, e.g., "developing the coffee sector" seems not to rank high on the Rwandan agenda. Actually, they depend largely on coffee exports to a handful of countries, hence, are extremely vulnerable. I have been working in quite a few countries in Africa, and I have always had severe issues with internet latency or bandwidth, etc. Yesterday, when investigating how that would be in Rwanda if I went there to work, I found that they have ADSL and even EVDO in place, and that both do work. (However, they come at a high price.) But yes, I have never before been able to browse a Ministry's web site - hosted in-country - as quickly as their MINALOC site (Min. of Local Government, in charge of decentralization).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting thoughts, Clint, on an interesting subject. I would like to add that it will be interesting to follow the case of Rwanda, where a policy has been declared to make the country a &#8220;knowledge based economy&#8221; and another of providing infrastructure as an incentive for getting a diverse private business to evolve. Supporting current primary production, e.g., &#8220;developing the coffee sector&#8221; seems not to rank high on the Rwandan agenda. Actually, they depend largely on coffee exports to a handful of countries, hence, are extremely vulnerable. I have been working in quite a few countries in Africa, and I have always had severe issues with internet latency or bandwidth, etc. Yesterday, when investigating how that would be in Rwanda if I went there to work, I found that they have ADSL and even EVDO in place, and that both do work. (However, they come at a high price.) But yes, I have never before been able to browse a Ministry&#8217;s web site - hosted in-country - as quickly as their MINALOC site (Min. of Local Government, in charge of decentralization).</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus</title>
		<link>http://www.clintrogersonline.com/blog/2009/03/14/worried-about-the-economy-some-thoughts-that-might-help/#comment-3241</link>
		<author>Marcus</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 21:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Why do they get hit so much harder? - I wonder how much a small scale farmer on the countryside in Tanzania is hit by the fluctations? Quite little I would guess as he is not depending much on a global market unless he produce for export which few small scale farmers do. By the way Clint please pass my regards Obama while you are at the white house, he seems to be nice guy who brings some hope to this world :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do they get hit so much harder? - I wonder how much a small scale farmer on the countryside in Tanzania is hit by the fluctations? Quite little I would guess as he is not depending much on a global market unless he produce for export which few small scale farmers do. By the way Clint please pass my regards Obama while you are at the white house, he seems to be nice guy who brings some hope to this world <img src='http://www.clintrogersonline.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Clint</title>
		<link>http://www.clintrogersonline.com/blog/2009/03/14/worried-about-the-economy-some-thoughts-that-might-help/#comment-3242</link>
		<author>Clint</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 21:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thanks Marcus - I'll make sure to give him your regards. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Marcus - I&#8217;ll make sure to give him your regards. <img src='http://www.clintrogersonline.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<author>Frank</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 21:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Obama Cafe

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama Cafe</p>
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		<title>By: Raj</title>
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		<author>Raj</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 21:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The biggest issue then, is the relative size of the economies, and the so called constant cycles of accumulation of wealth that made the US economy so much more resilient to fluctuations, which in the current energy sensitive regime seems impossible to achieve for the developing countries by resorting to industrial production, and hence the role of ICTs in creating new avenues to break the hegemony of the west!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest issue then, is the relative size of the economies, and the so called constant cycles of accumulation of wealth that made the US economy so much more resilient to fluctuations, which in the current energy sensitive regime seems impossible to achieve for the developing countries by resorting to industrial production, and hence the role of ICTs in creating new avenues to break the hegemony of the west!</p>
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		<title>By: SaraJoy</title>
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		<author>SaraJoy</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 21:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>To Marcus's point: It seems, in my limited experience, that the number of these "small scale farmers" who actually live completely disconnected from the global economy is shrinking rapidly. Whether it's because their land has been bought up by a wealthy multinational and they now lease it, or because the mass exodus of youth to urban centers has depleted the local market to the point that they must now transport their goods to the city, or simply because one particularly prosperous year brought a cell phone or television into their home, many, many of these individuals are now "tied" to the global market, even though they neither produce goods for export, nor consume much in the way of imported goods. The fluctuations Clint mentioned, like fuel, have a ripple effect through even rural communities (bus fares to city jobs rise, day wages at industrial facilities fall, etc.) In addition, though I'm not sure how this works out theoretically, it seems that the initial stages of integration into the global economy are almost unilaterally vulnerable. The first ties seem to give the global market power to hurt a country or an individual deeply, with relatively little power to benefit him...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Marcus&#8217;s point: It seems, in my limited experience, that the number of these &#8220;small scale farmers&#8221; who actually live completely disconnected from the global economy is shrinking rapidly. Whether it&#8217;s because their land has been bought up by a wealthy multinational and they now lease it, or because the mass exodus of youth to urban centers has depleted the local market to the point that they must now transport their goods to the city, or simply because one particularly prosperous year brought a cell phone or television into their home, many, many of these individuals are now &#8220;tied&#8221; to the global market, even though they neither produce goods for export, nor consume much in the way of imported goods. The fluctuations Clint mentioned, like fuel, have a ripple effect through even rural communities (bus fares to city jobs rise, day wages at industrial facilities fall, etc.) In addition, though I&#8217;m not sure how this works out theoretically, it seems that the initial stages of integration into the global economy are almost unilaterally vulnerable. The first ties seem to give the global market power to hurt a country or an individual deeply, with relatively little power to benefit him&#8230;</p>
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