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	<title>Comments on: Critical thinking vs. Crucial thinking</title>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://www.clintrogersonline.com/blog/2008/12/01/critical-thinking-vs-crucial-thinking/#comment-2952</link>
		<author>Jeremy</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I have another reason for which we would want to abandon the "critical" prefix: The colonialization of educational research by "social justice" and "*critical* perspectives." These ways of thinking begin with a priori conclusions and seek the data to support those conclusions. While this may be an effective form of activism, it is the antithesis of science and in direct opposition to truly critical investigations.

If we don't move away from the term "critical thinking," it will be co-opted  by activists sooner or later.

The more I think of this, the more convinced I am that Dr. Inouye's 620 class was the optimal setup for learning to think on a higher order. I'm deconstrucing a course right now, and I will follow his template as I build it back up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have another reason for which we would want to abandon the &#8220;critical&#8221; prefix: The colonialization of educational research by &#8220;social justice&#8221; and &#8220;*critical* perspectives.&#8221; These ways of thinking begin with a priori conclusions and seek the data to support those conclusions. While this may be an effective form of activism, it is the antithesis of science and in direct opposition to truly critical investigations.</p>
<p>If we don&#8217;t move away from the term &#8220;critical thinking,&#8221; it will be co-opted  by activists sooner or later.</p>
<p>The more I think of this, the more convinced I am that Dr. Inouye&#8217;s 620 class was the optimal setup for learning to think on a higher order. I&#8217;m deconstrucing a course right now, and I will follow his template as I build it back up.</p>
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		<title>By: Clint</title>
		<link>http://www.clintrogersonline.com/blog/2008/12/01/critical-thinking-vs-crucial-thinking/#comment-2955</link>
		<author>Clint</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 17:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Good additional point. 
I'll be curious to know how your deconstruction and reconstruction of your class goes.
The class I taught this semester, trying to model it after Dr. Inouye, seems to have gone very well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good additional point.<br />
I&#8217;ll be curious to know how your deconstruction and reconstruction of your class goes.<br />
The class I taught this semester, trying to model it after Dr. Inouye, seems to have gone very well.</p>
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		<title>By: Javier</title>
		<link>http://www.clintrogersonline.com/blog/2008/12/01/critical-thinking-vs-crucial-thinking/#comment-2959</link>
		<author>Javier</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 20:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hmmm... I see your point but I think this is a case of not seeing the forest for the trees. Well, not exactly. And that's the interesting part of it.

I'm not an English speaker so I started by having a look at the dictionary (the Oxford one ;) ) and I understand that term can trigger a negative halo [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_effect] or other subtle inferences to some people. 

In my case (my cultural background?) my understanding is closer to the second sense of the word: "expressing or involving an analysis of the merits and faults of a work of literature, music, or art" which collides in a sort of mental oxymoron with the first one: "expressing adverse or disapproving comments or judgments".

I don't want to be swallowed in the shifting sands of word meanings so I jump out into the key issue: how to think better and especially:

Why 'why' questions?

I think there are some assumptions here: 1) our mind is a symbolic system we play with, that is, you can apply some operations (in Piaget's sense) to some symbols 2) in critical thinking, questions trigger suitable operations to those symbols 3) questions are mainly those operations

I disagree with 3) but it would take too long to be written down now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230; I see your point but I think this is a case of not seeing the forest for the trees. Well, not exactly. And that&#8217;s the interesting part of it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not an English speaker so I started by having a look at the dictionary (the Oxford one <img src='http://www.clintrogersonline.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> ) and I understand that term can trigger a negative halo [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_effect] or other subtle inferences to some people. </p>
<p>In my case (my cultural background?) my understanding is closer to the second sense of the word: &#8220;expressing or involving an analysis of the merits and faults of a work of literature, music, or art&#8221; which collides in a sort of mental oxymoron with the first one: &#8220;expressing adverse or disapproving comments or judgments&#8221;.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to be swallowed in the shifting sands of word meanings so I jump out into the key issue: how to think better and especially:</p>
<p>Why &#8216;why&#8217; questions?</p>
<p>I think there are some assumptions here: 1) our mind is a symbolic system we play with, that is, you can apply some operations (in Piaget&#8217;s sense) to some symbols 2) in critical thinking, questions trigger suitable operations to those symbols 3) questions are mainly those operations</p>
<p>I disagree with 3) but it would take too long to be written down now.</p>
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		<title>By: VeNicia</title>
		<link>http://www.clintrogersonline.com/blog/2008/12/01/critical-thinking-vs-crucial-thinking/#comment-2968</link>
		<author>VeNicia</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I'm interested in what you would see as the most "crucial" impact a teacher of elementary students could have on this redirection of focus in education. I wonder how much change one year will make in the midst of a system that needs much reforming, even if one were to successfully modify their curriculum and their expectations of the students' performance. I wonder if/how a teacher could redirect the educational focus and still meet the demands of expectations placed on us--like in CRT score percentages (I love the idea of "truth seeking curiosity" as opposed to traditional "I speak, you write" philosophy...) What does this look like in my second grade classroom? 

I'm also [still] interested in hearing Dr. Inouye stories. Which one of you is going to write his biography? Quit talking about him on your blog and showing off that you knew him, and teach his philosophies to the rest of us! =o)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m interested in what you would see as the most &#8220;crucial&#8221; impact a teacher of elementary students could have on this redirection of focus in education. I wonder how much change one year will make in the midst of a system that needs much reforming, even if one were to successfully modify their curriculum and their expectations of the students&#8217; performance. I wonder if/how a teacher could redirect the educational focus and still meet the demands of expectations placed on us&#8211;like in CRT score percentages (I love the idea of &#8220;truth seeking curiosity&#8221; as opposed to traditional &#8220;I speak, you write&#8221; philosophy&#8230;) What does this look like in my second grade classroom? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m also [still] interested in hearing Dr. Inouye stories. Which one of you is going to write his biography? Quit talking about him on your blog and showing off that you knew him, and teach his philosophies to the rest of us! =o)</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://www.clintrogersonline.com/blog/2008/12/01/critical-thinking-vs-crucial-thinking/#comment-2970</link>
		<author>Jeremy</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 03:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>1. As a teacher educator I'll say that a 2nd grade teacher has very little power to bring about change. Sure, a few very talented, very motivated, very creative, and very tenured teachers may manage to change some aspects of the system now, but most power lies beyond the control of any individual.

That's not to say that you can't change your classroom. You just have to do it in the small (seemingly meaningless) ways that the system allows you.

The systemic issues are not only related to teachers' power and not only in the public school systems. To apply for a professorship in many teacher education programs, one must have three years of public school teaching experience. At first, we think, yeah, that makes sense. How are people supposed to train teachers if they've never been in the schools themselves. 

But if we think about using teacher education as a change agent, then we see a problem with requiring professors to be products of the system they're (supposedly) trying to change. It's not that every former teacher is a zombie, but there are many fresh ideas (and people) that originate out of the system that should be welcomed in.

2. My fondest memory of Dr. Inouye was his take-home final exam for IP&#38;T 620. It took me 16 hours to complete, and I wound up slipping it under his door instead of bringing to the final exam time. See, my wife had given birth the day before.

Well, I was the one who missed out. As the six other students in his class met, he declared, "Gosh. I'm hungry. Is anyone else?" And with that he drove them to Osaka's and fed them sushi while they chatted about the final.

Another good one: Four years after I had his course we sat on a couch at Dr. Gibbons during the Christmas social. 

"You must be getting close to graduating," he asked.

"Yes, it always seems that way."

"What will you do with your degree?" He always sounded so genuinely interested.

"I'm looking for a position on the tenure track."

"Really? Well, when you finish you dissertation bring it by my office and we'll see about changing your grade from 620."

"Dr. Inouye, I'm happy with the B you gave me."

"I know, but it may help you in you job search."

I never took him up on the offer (and I had my position before I finished my dissertation anyway), but he taught me something very important that day: When we educate someone, we do it with the end in mind. Just because I didn't reach an A-level in his course didn't mean I would never reach it. He was willing to re-evaluate my work several years later, then update my grade accordingly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. As a teacher educator I&#8217;ll say that a 2nd grade teacher has very little power to bring about change. Sure, a few very talented, very motivated, very creative, and very tenured teachers may manage to change some aspects of the system now, but most power lies beyond the control of any individual.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not to say that you can&#8217;t change your classroom. You just have to do it in the small (seemingly meaningless) ways that the system allows you.</p>
<p>The systemic issues are not only related to teachers&#8217; power and not only in the public school systems. To apply for a professorship in many teacher education programs, one must have three years of public school teaching experience. At first, we think, yeah, that makes sense. How are people supposed to train teachers if they&#8217;ve never been in the schools themselves. </p>
<p>But if we think about using teacher education as a change agent, then we see a problem with requiring professors to be products of the system they&#8217;re (supposedly) trying to change. It&#8217;s not that every former teacher is a zombie, but there are many fresh ideas (and people) that originate out of the system that should be welcomed in.</p>
<p>2. My fondest memory of Dr. Inouye was his take-home final exam for IP&amp;T 620. It took me 16 hours to complete, and I wound up slipping it under his door instead of bringing to the final exam time. See, my wife had given birth the day before.</p>
<p>Well, I was the one who missed out. As the six other students in his class met, he declared, &#8220;Gosh. I&#8217;m hungry. Is anyone else?&#8221; And with that he drove them to Osaka&#8217;s and fed them sushi while they chatted about the final.</p>
<p>Another good one: Four years after I had his course we sat on a couch at Dr. Gibbons during the Christmas social. </p>
<p>&#8220;You must be getting close to graduating,&#8221; he asked.</p>
<p>&#8220;Yes, it always seems that way.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;What will you do with your degree?&#8221; He always sounded so genuinely interested.</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m looking for a position on the tenure track.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Really? Well, when you finish you dissertation bring it by my office and we&#8217;ll see about changing your grade from 620.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Dr. Inouye, I&#8217;m happy with the B you gave me.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;I know, but it may help you in you job search.&#8221;</p>
<p>I never took him up on the offer (and I had my position before I finished my dissertation anyway), but he taught me something very important that day: When we educate someone, we do it with the end in mind. Just because I didn&#8217;t reach an A-level in his course didn&#8217;t mean I would never reach it. He was willing to re-evaluate my work several years later, then update my grade accordingly.</p>
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