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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
		<link>http://www.clintrogersonline.com/blog/2007/09/13/finnish-etiquette-in-public-situations-what-does-it-mean/#comment-149</link>
		<author>Joseph</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 04:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The US definitely has its own set of circumstances in which social interaction is frowned upon.  You're expected to stay silent and avoid eye contact in a restroom.  The rules are pretty much the same in an elevator.  I take the bus to and from the University each day, and there's an odd mix of philosophies.  Most people also adhere to the norm of silent non-interaction.  However, a handful greet you and strike up conversation.

I remember walking down a street in Portugal with an American colleague and a recent Portuguese acquaintance.  As was our habit, my companion and I greeted nearly everyone we passed.  Finally, our acquaintance pointed out that no one was answering us and he thought we were being sort of odd.  I don't remember my reply, but I remember him saying that when he greets someone, they greet him back, because he greets people that he knows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The US definitely has its own set of circumstances in which social interaction is frowned upon.  You&#8217;re expected to stay silent and avoid eye contact in a restroom.  The rules are pretty much the same in an elevator.  I take the bus to and from the University each day, and there&#8217;s an odd mix of philosophies.  Most people also adhere to the norm of silent non-interaction.  However, a handful greet you and strike up conversation.</p>
<p>I remember walking down a street in Portugal with an American colleague and a recent Portuguese acquaintance.  As was our habit, my companion and I greeted nearly everyone we passed.  Finally, our acquaintance pointed out that no one was answering us and he thought we were being sort of odd.  I don&#8217;t remember my reply, but I remember him saying that when he greets someone, they greet him back, because he greets people that he knows.</p>
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		<title>By: Clint</title>
		<link>http://www.clintrogersonline.com/blog/2007/09/13/finnish-etiquette-in-public-situations-what-does-it-mean/#comment-151</link>
		<author>Clint</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Sep 2007 10:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Those are good points. I might have made it sound too much like every stranger in the US smiles and talks to you and wants to be your BFF. But really, there is appropriate distance and expectations of silence in many circumstances. I had a friend who once did his own "social experiments" in elevators (e.g. standing right next to people instead of on the other side of the elevator, telling people they had nice socks, etc...) - it was pretty funny to listen to him talk about it. I guess talking to other men in the bathroom is usually awkward as well, huh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those are good points. I might have made it sound too much like every stranger in the US smiles and talks to you and wants to be your BFF. But really, there is appropriate distance and expectations of silence in many circumstances. I had a friend who once did his own &#8220;social experiments&#8221; in elevators (e.g. standing right next to people instead of on the other side of the elevator, telling people they had nice socks, etc&#8230;) - it was pretty funny to listen to him talk about it. I guess talking to other men in the bathroom is usually awkward as well, huh?</p>
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		<title>By: Clint</title>
		<link>http://www.clintrogersonline.com/blog/2007/09/13/finnish-etiquette-in-public-situations-what-does-it-mean/#comment-370</link>
		<author>Clint</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 23:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I really enjoyed these two comments: one from Javier (living in Finland as well, originally from Spain), and one from Sabine (living in the US, originally from France).

Javier:
I can only talk from my own experience. My very first days here were living within a spies movie. People did not look at you straight into the eyes but... sideways. I talked to myself "something must be going on here". Later, I thought that I had to learn a new social etiquette. I noticed - like Clint - that people do not smile to each other or even look at each other, for instance, in the bus. But as soon as they know you and you get - let's say - part of the landscape, you can sense some friendliness and confidence (although most of the time is not expressed with smiles).

However, the finn's sense of trust is quite developed. Very often they really mean what they say, for instance, when they offer themselves for help once the ice is broken. And they remember everything what they have said (it's like smalltalk does not exist for them) and even better, what YOU have said.....

Once you get used to the unwritten rules, it's not a problem.

About being nice and say hello to strangers. I have to say that where I live in Spain, Madrid, people can be very mean and impolite ("Madrid kills me" we often to say) and may treat you as if you owe them a favour.



Sabine:
I have never been to Finland, nor met anyone from Finland, so I would not be able to guess their social behaviors. However, I can share my first reaction to the smiles, hellos, offers of help and friendship when I first came to the United States (Iowa 15 years ago): disappointment. Everyone was so friendly, and yet no one ever answered their phone when I'd call the number a day after they gave it to me, no one had time to help as they had offered. I reasoned that the concept of friendship was quite superficial to what I was used to in France.
People do not smile to each other in French streets. In France, people might offer help but not friendship. Friendship is not something to be offered. It is understood as simply developing from an acquaintance relationship. It also entails certain responsibilities from both parties. So some relationships might not develop into friendship because of individual preferences to avoid those responsibilities toward each other.
So my first months in America were spent figuring out the different layers of "acquaintances." When I discussed my first reactions with other foreign students on campus, they seemed to share the same confusion about these "American social norms." The most accepted explanation among these foreign students were that the American culture had developed so quickly based on its immigrant-always-on-the-move history, that their social norm was to make quick acquaintances to create a pool of relations for "survival" (or nowadays, for networking). As the years passed, I've also realized that campus life and off-campus America are quite different.
However, 15 years later, I have to admit that nothing has much changed. Now maybe it is because I am in a region of the States reputed for superficiality (southern California's Orange County)...I am trying hard not to sound cynical, here. I have eventually developed some wonderful friendships in the Midwest, still surviving my cross-country relocation today. However, I certainly feel like I do not belong here, as much as I do not belong anymore in France (15 years will apparently do that to you).
And yes, I've been "americanized" enough to not hesitate to stop people in the streets anywhere in the world (France, Bosnia, Croatia, Spain, or US) for a question or a comment (usually to the astonishment of my very French parents). But I still do not smile that easily to strangers on or off-campus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really enjoyed these two comments: one from Javier (living in Finland as well, originally from Spain), and one from Sabine (living in the US, originally from France).</p>
<p>Javier:<br />
I can only talk from my own experience. My very first days here were living within a spies movie. People did not look at you straight into the eyes but&#8230; sideways. I talked to myself &#8220;something must be going on here&#8221;. Later, I thought that I had to learn a new social etiquette. I noticed - like Clint - that people do not smile to each other or even look at each other, for instance, in the bus. But as soon as they know you and you get - let&#8217;s say - part of the landscape, you can sense some friendliness and confidence (although most of the time is not expressed with smiles).</p>
<p>However, the finn&#8217;s sense of trust is quite developed. Very often they really mean what they say, for instance, when they offer themselves for help once the ice is broken. And they remember everything what they have said (it&#8217;s like smalltalk does not exist for them) and even better, what YOU have said&#8230;..</p>
<p>Once you get used to the unwritten rules, it&#8217;s not a problem.</p>
<p>About being nice and say hello to strangers. I have to say that where I live in Spain, Madrid, people can be very mean and impolite (&#8221;Madrid kills me&#8221; we often to say) and may treat you as if you owe them a favour.</p>
<p>Sabine:<br />
I have never been to Finland, nor met anyone from Finland, so I would not be able to guess their social behaviors. However, I can share my first reaction to the smiles, hellos, offers of help and friendship when I first came to the United States (Iowa 15 years ago): disappointment. Everyone was so friendly, and yet no one ever answered their phone when I&#8217;d call the number a day after they gave it to me, no one had time to help as they had offered. I reasoned that the concept of friendship was quite superficial to what I was used to in France.<br />
People do not smile to each other in French streets. In France, people might offer help but not friendship. Friendship is not something to be offered. It is understood as simply developing from an acquaintance relationship. It also entails certain responsibilities from both parties. So some relationships might not develop into friendship because of individual preferences to avoid those responsibilities toward each other.<br />
So my first months in America were spent figuring out the different layers of &#8220;acquaintances.&#8221; When I discussed my first reactions with other foreign students on campus, they seemed to share the same confusion about these &#8220;American social norms.&#8221; The most accepted explanation among these foreign students were that the American culture had developed so quickly based on its immigrant-always-on-the-move history, that their social norm was to make quick acquaintances to create a pool of relations for &#8220;survival&#8221; (or nowadays, for networking). As the years passed, I&#8217;ve also realized that campus life and off-campus America are quite different.<br />
However, 15 years later, I have to admit that nothing has much changed. Now maybe it is because I am in a region of the States reputed for superficiality (southern California&#8217;s Orange County)&#8230;I am trying hard not to sound cynical, here. I have eventually developed some wonderful friendships in the Midwest, still surviving my cross-country relocation today. However, I certainly feel like I do not belong here, as much as I do not belong anymore in France (15 years will apparently do that to you).<br />
And yes, I&#8217;ve been &#8220;americanized&#8221; enough to not hesitate to stop people in the streets anywhere in the world (France, Bosnia, Croatia, Spain, or US) for a question or a comment (usually to the astonishment of my very French parents). But I still do not smile that easily to strangers on or off-campus.</p>
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		<title>By: Minna</title>
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		<author>Minna</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 09:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>This reminds me about something I read years ago. I can't remember the source exactly but it might have been one Finnish researcher who has studied cross-cultural issues.

Anyway, she had one explanation for the differences between, e.g., American and Finnish people in this kind of situations. She argued that meeting unknown people is always seen as a potential threat, but in different cultures they have different ways to deal with this threat: American people pretend that they actually know you - and Finnish people pretend that you do not exist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This reminds me about something I read years ago. I can&#8217;t remember the source exactly but it might have been one Finnish researcher who has studied cross-cultural issues.</p>
<p>Anyway, she had one explanation for the differences between, e.g., American and Finnish people in this kind of situations. She argued that meeting unknown people is always seen as a potential threat, but in different cultures they have different ways to deal with this threat: American people pretend that they actually know you - and Finnish people pretend that you do not exist.</p>
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		<title>By: roman</title>
		<link>http://www.clintrogersonline.com/blog/2007/09/13/finnish-etiquette-in-public-situations-what-does-it-mean/#comment-438</link>
		<author>roman</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Oct 2007 07:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>So Clint, after being in Finland for a while, what do you think are the reasons behind your observations?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Clint, after being in Finland for a while, what do you think are the reasons behind your observations?</p>
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		<title>By: Clint</title>
		<link>http://www.clintrogersonline.com/blog/2007/09/13/finnish-etiquette-in-public-situations-what-does-it-mean/#comment-458</link>
		<author>Clint</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 06:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thanks for the question Roman. I think I have already learned a few things about little stuff that I do which doesn't communicate the same thing here as I am used to assuming they do. 
As for why it is different? I like many of the suggestions by comments people have left here. I think there is just a different attitude (not better or worse) toward personal space and public interactions. I think there is also a greater acceptance of silence (even seeking it), less need to talk unless you have something specific to say - and those things might tie in to this issue as well.
I'm curious if you found a difference when you originally came here when compared to the Czech Republic? Do you have any more ideas about why the differences?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the question Roman. I think I have already learned a few things about little stuff that I do which doesn&#8217;t communicate the same thing here as I am used to assuming they do.<br />
As for why it is different? I like many of the suggestions by comments people have left here. I think there is just a different attitude (not better or worse) toward personal space and public interactions. I think there is also a greater acceptance of silence (even seeking it), less need to talk unless you have something specific to say - and those things might tie in to this issue as well.<br />
I&#8217;m curious if you found a difference when you originally came here when compared to the Czech Republic? Do you have any more ideas about why the differences?</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
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		<author>Anne</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 15:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hi Clint!

I'd have a question for you: in your opinion, how well do Finns know the art Networking (face to face? Have you made any personal experiences regarding it?

Thanks and greetings from Helsinki,

Anne.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Clint!</p>
<p>I&#8217;d have a question for you: in your opinion, how well do Finns know the art Networking (face to face? Have you made any personal experiences regarding it?</p>
<p>Thanks and greetings from Helsinki,</p>
<p>Anne.</p>
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		<title>By: Clint</title>
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		<author>Clint</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 17:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>You know, it depends on which Finn. A few I know are great at it -- but maybe that is why I know them, because they met me.

In general though, I think the world loves the Finnish way, or feels safe with it at least, -- modest yet hard working. Curious, can be creative, and not full of an ego.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, it depends on which Finn. A few I know are great at it &#8212; but maybe that is why I know them, because they met me.</p>
<p>In general though, I think the world loves the Finnish way, or feels safe with it at least, &#8212; modest yet hard working. Curious, can be creative, and not full of an ego.</p>
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		<title>By: Fia</title>
		<link>http://www.clintrogersonline.com/blog/2007/09/13/finnish-etiquette-in-public-situations-what-does-it-mean/#comment-5666</link>
		<author>Fia</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2011 19:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hi Clint! I'm from Finland and I can tell you're right. We don't smile or say hi to strangers. But I think it's just a part of our manners. As you know, we really respect our privacy and expect to other people do that, too. It's polite to leave people alone and let them do whatever they are doing without "disturbing" them. I guess that we are so used to hide our emotions in public that even a friendly smile can be very confusing. Moreover we are quite simple in a social situations; we don't actually use small talk or say things that we don't mean. So in Finland, smiling to a stranger is the same as "Hi! How are you?". Then we look at back thinking: "Who the hell are you? Do we know each other?" Then we go home and tell that this creepy stranger smiled us today. :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Clint! I&#8217;m from Finland and I can tell you&#8217;re right. We don&#8217;t smile or say hi to strangers. But I think it&#8217;s just a part of our manners. As you know, we really respect our privacy and expect to other people do that, too. It&#8217;s polite to leave people alone and let them do whatever they are doing without &#8220;disturbing&#8221; them. I guess that we are so used to hide our emotions in public that even a friendly smile can be very confusing. Moreover we are quite simple in a social situations; we don&#8217;t actually use small talk or say things that we don&#8217;t mean. So in Finland, smiling to a stranger is the same as &#8220;Hi! How are you?&#8221;. Then we look at back thinking: &#8220;Who the hell are you? Do we know each other?&#8221; Then we go home and tell that this creepy stranger smiled us today. <img src='http://www.clintrogersonline.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Hemlock</title>
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		<author>Hemlock</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Aug 2011 20:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Just came across this website and I thought I'd post my impression.

I'm of Finnish and German decent living in Northern Minnesota. Most comments I've seen regarding how the Finnish people are (like quite and reserved, standoffish, cold etc.) remind me of my Finnish relatives. I moved to Wyoming recently, and asked about a sauna and I had to explain to people out here what one was. All the health clubs in my area in MN had saunas, and so did all of my relatives houses. Heck, even all of the summer camps I went to had a sauna house.

And I busted up laughing at Fia's comment...since I've often thought the same thing when I moved to other parts of the US..."Why are these people smiling at me? I don't know them. What do they want from me?" "Why are they standing so close?" "Why are they so loud?" "Why are they touching me when they talk to me?" I've had lot's of what I thought were 'creepy stranger moments', but realized it was just a difference in how I grew up and what the social norms in my area of the country were compared to others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just came across this website and I thought I&#8217;d post my impression.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m of Finnish and German decent living in Northern Minnesota. Most comments I&#8217;ve seen regarding how the Finnish people are (like quite and reserved, standoffish, cold etc.) remind me of my Finnish relatives. I moved to Wyoming recently, and asked about a sauna and I had to explain to people out here what one was. All the health clubs in my area in MN had saunas, and so did all of my relatives houses. Heck, even all of the summer camps I went to had a sauna house.</p>
<p>And I busted up laughing at Fia&#8217;s comment&#8230;since I&#8217;ve often thought the same thing when I moved to other parts of the US&#8230;&#8221;Why are these people smiling at me? I don&#8217;t know them. What do they want from me?&#8221; &#8220;Why are they standing so close?&#8221; &#8220;Why are they so loud?&#8221; &#8220;Why are they touching me when they talk to me?&#8221; I&#8217;ve had lot&#8217;s of what I thought were &#8216;creepy stranger moments&#8217;, but realized it was just a difference in how I grew up and what the social norms in my area of the country were compared to others.</p>
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